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 3 Apr 2012 9:05 AM
 19 Jun 2006
 Barrie, ON
Tinker_Bell
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Bleu, I just wanted to say you rock! That was an extremely eloquent post.

Diva, way to go! Congrats on the weight loss!

I was never one of the "cool kids". I rarely post and mainly lurk. I was invited to the FB group by NorthernGirl but I don't even read it. There was way too much drama for my comfort level.

I find this place boring too but I keep holding out hope that people will take action and bring this place back to what it used to be. I guess I'm a sentimental fool like Milly.
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 3 Apr 2012 9:25 AM
 7 Nov 2009
 I think it's obvious.
TorontoChick
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I was totally oblivious to this FB crap that happened. It it was as bad as some of you are saying, then I can totally understand why people chose to leave.

I'm kinda in the 'meh' mindframe about the whole switchover. Yes, it's definitley been quieter, and I haven't been on as much because I feel like I'm not going to be missing much. A few posters have left, and I do miss their posts and comments.

BUT - people will start to post again, old WBer's will come back (cause really, who can stay away?), new drama will surface and all will be back to normal.

I do feel badly that people felt they had to leave though. frown
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 3 Apr 2012 9:30 AM
 13 Jun 2008
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Anonymous173
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I'm definitely not using WB as much as I used to, and I never bother going into CF at all (altho I do miss the book challenge a bit). A few reasons:

- I was part of that facebook group for a while (and then left). it turned me off of WB a bit, to be honest. I didn't realise there were so many bad people on these boards.
- WB is now sort of boring as many of the "involved" posters have quit
- a short break from WB taught me that I'm not *actually* addicted and I didn't really miss it very much at all.

now, I just don't spend as much time on here as I used to (which used to be an hour a day - now it is 5 minutes... every other day or so?). Looking back even just a couple months ago, I can't believe how much time I used to spend on here! The ruin/decline of these boards was probably a good thing for me - more time to do other things!
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 3 Apr 2012 9:31 AM
 1 Jan 2010
ScubaJ
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Bleu! What a great post!

You have inspired me to start completely useless threads and hope they end up pages long (i kid)

I am stealing this..

thumbsupsky!
(wait do I need a hashtag?)
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 3 Apr 2012 9:32 AM
 19 Jul 2010
 Winnipeg
lady.lars
Chatterbox
265
I honestly have no idea what anyone is talking about. I hadn't logged on in awhile and now everyone is talking about all this drama, and some facebook group. I am waaay out of the loop. Probably a good thing. smile
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 3 Apr 2012 9:46 AM
 7 Nov 2011
 bottom of the glass
Probably Drunk
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1,992
I now have a crush on Bleuberry. I am glad she has come out of the shadows smile
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 3 Apr 2012 11:37 AM
 3 Dec 2010
Emmanus
Fan
594
I'm so out of the loop...I didn't know there was a FB group or about any drama associated with it.

I'm sad things have slowed down but I can't really complain as I don't post too often either (damn boring life).
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 3 Apr 2012 12:49 PM
 24 Jan 2005
 Calgary
tojules
Raving Lunatic
11,202
I kind of look at this split a couple of ways...we were thriving, the powers that be didn't have the resources to meet our needs so, they sliced it in half thinking that would be more manageable...didn't care what the fall out was, we were just too much work and it's "just a forum". In some ways the split made sense..."help" us transition into other areas of our life. In other ways, it was really short sighted as they only had one "vision", or, lameass plan they were forcing on us. Apparently they forget we're not all the same. tongueold No one realized we are the ones who make up the forums...without us, their advertising dies, their membership dies and eventually the forums go the way of the dodo. SJM doesn't care...they have no interest in us as users, they're only interested in those buying their product.

As it turns out it was like lighting a hive on fire...everybody got a mad, started swarming and well...some took off for hills, some came back,some fought hard...but really...it's just a burnt out hive someone has to clean up and making something of it again. I have no interest in another hive, so...I stay and carry on as I did before. That said, life has been insane and I haven't had the time to dish about snuggies, pyjama jeans or ask for people to post llama photos I can snork at. I come here when I can...just like I did before. I also plan on posting about books, movies and tv in this forum, because after all...it's miscellaneous. grin

Sure, it's a little quieter now, but I haven't seen anybody making a run to get a new posting title, no one has come up with a good poll recently...and people have stopped asking if they should eat things. I think someone pointed out how stupid that was and well, maybe the general population is a little put off the topic now. laugh Although I still question if my salsa in my fridge is good. I know if it's furry toss it, but I can't find an expiry date. tongueold

I was pretty twitchy about the split. Fired off an e-mail to SJM and told them what I thought it of. That I knew SJM was going to destroy a perfectly good community, but really, I knew in the end...it would be up to the community members whether it lives, dies or becomes the phoenix and rises from the ashes. I'm hoping it'll rise again, however, as it always been...my participation depends on my life beyond the keyboard. And currently, life limits my time here. It's cyclical...as always.

The FB group, I'm part of a Calgary group because someone was nice enough to bring me along. smile If there's a larger group out there...I don't know about it, but then I'm not active on FB...I like stuff and post a random comment every few weeks. tongueold I don't plan to change that. I'd rather stay here, keep my user name, post away on whatever is out there...and maybe, eventually, take over the forums and make everybody bow down to me. grin
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 3 Apr 2012 12:55 PM
 16 Jul 2008
Serene_
Rookie
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Calgary fb?

I would be interested, I've joined the weight loss challenge, any girls from that on there?

As long as there's no name calling...
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 3 Apr 2012 12:58 PM
 13 Aug 2010
honeysher 2.0
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If people want to feel uncool, so be it. I have no insecurity issues about being with the "in" crowd or not. I have been accused, several times, on WB for being cliquish. What is ironic is that those who claim that I was part of a "clique" have now all going MIA and are being referred to as the "cool kids." That I find immensely ironic and funny.

That being said, Irie, you're entitled to how you feel and I'm sure that if you wanted to hang with the cool kids that someone could add you to the FB group if you asked.

While I see where MillyHa is coming from, I'm one of those people who were and still are quite indifferent to the WB/CF changes. Prior to them happening, I knew they were going to happen anyway, regardless of what the unpaid membership said. Now that it has happened there are many unhappy folks but you know what? This board is oddly refreshing at the moment. I doubt it will stay this way as old posters resurface but I'll relish the moment right now.
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 3 Apr 2012 1:05 PM
 8 Oct 2008
 Halifax, NS
peggy_sue
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If from what I understand people's true colours came to light in this FB group, would you really want them to come back to the boards anyway? And if that's the case, I'm kind of glad the mods are keeping these boards from becoming an all out attack form.

New people are always going to find these boards, that's how I did. Some will be interesting and some you wouldn't make eye contact with when you're on the street.
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 3 Apr 2012 1:59 PM
 13 Jun 2005
 Toronto, ON
aw2006
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I was one that may be classed as having been "indifferent"; I prefer to think of it as having been someone who was/is realistic. A large part of my job is overseeing technical projects. I knew that what SJM was saying was not true in regards to "oh the URL is changing, but nothing else will", tech projects never go as people say they will. And, when you know something is unpopular you tend to push the positive aspects of the project, at least in my experience with this type of project. Even though I figured that there would be issues, I did not see it as the demise of the board.

I knew that there was no point in lodging complaints because the decision had been made. SJM is a business and had made a business decision. We can all extrapolate as to what those reasons were, but unless they decide to tell us we will never know for sure.

I further knew there would be changes, and from a tech standpoint, they'd do what they could to minimize inconvenience. Honestly, I think that's exactly the way it went from a purely technical perspective. The hop feature works very well to bring you between sites, I use it all of the time.

From a community standpoint, they have broken the community through inaction and ineptitude. I completely agree with MillyHa about the inconsistencies around rules and moderation of posts. And, further completely agree that the huge melt down that occured and spawned the FB page could have been avoided by simply putting in place a rule the last time this blew up.

I heard about the FB page, but was not invited. I am glad I missed out on the hatred that was spewed there. Yet, it leaves me feeling like I'm on the outside looking in. I don't necessarily feel like I'm a leftover (or whatever other term was used), but I have always got a sense of different groups within the community... exactly like in high school.

I've been around for years and will continue to post and contribute. Hopefully, people will take a cue from Bleu and will choose to help re-build our community.

LadyA - You have an undervalued and underappreciated position. I appreciate what you do and am glad that you are still around (for what that's worth wink )
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 3 Apr 2012 2:36 PM
 26 Aug 2005
 Toronto, ON
honeybee
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I was and am indifferent to the changes still. Maybe because I'm not a "cool kid", but I knew that if after the change I didn't like the boards I could leave. I know that if I left people wouldn't notice and that thought doesn't bother me at all. This is a fun place to post and share ideas with but its not my life. I still read the same sections that I always did. Sure some posters have left and may or may not come back, but since WE ALL make the boards not just a few did. We don't need to rely on a handful of people to keep this a good place.

I'm sure it helped that the same time as the change I was starting a new job and its not a desk job so I'm off the grid so to speak during those hours. I've seen post get to 4-5 pages in the time I'm gone and I just don't care to read it all when chances are things have settled or my point was made by someone else hours ago.
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 3 Apr 2012 2:56 PM
 1 Jan 2010
ScubaJ
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one thing I am confused about is an option in my profile settings.

I can have the Canfam header no shown. So I am over in BB and with the header hidden I have no idea what mainsite the forum is from anyways.

That makes no sense from a marketing stand point for Canfam
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 3 Apr 2012 3:11 PM
 4 Jan 2006
Mary Ann
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I have started and backed out of at least three replies to this thread. My thoughts:

--This change was not needed and was badly managed.

--There was nothing any of us could have done to influence SJM.

--This forum is over-moderated (NOT a reflection of the moderators, but a reflection of "the rules"). I don't have an opionion on the "fairness" of the moderation, but I think it's ridiculous that grown women have to be so monitored. ANd the reasons given are bogus. I really doubt that the content of the posts is actually read and "reflects poorly" on advertisers, because if that really were the case, then all of the complaints we've had following this change would have been taken seriously.

--The analogy of "kids reacting to a divorce" is apt. I think the over-moderation is one of the factors that contributed to that phenomenon. The posts have been like kids trying to get parental attention and everyone is so concerned with being right. "Mom, she said mean things to me" "Dad, he started it." People focus on "tattling" rather than on what they bring to the conversation and what they have control over. Rather than being "right", we should be trying to maintain civility and relationships on our own. Without the need for someone to come and tell us what we can and can't say. Can and can't talk about.

--I am really disappointed in the changed dynamics following his change. The traffic is down to a crawl. This isn't to say that those who are still here are "chopped liver" (good explanation btw Greycie). I haven't a clue who actually has left. I am just observing so much less interaction now.

--Bleuberry is spot on and we can't change what has happened. So we need to take the initiative to inject fresh energy into this forum.
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 3 Apr 2012 4:09 PM
 24 Jan 2005
 Calgary
tojules
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I don't get what a cool kid is. Best hat? Best use of hashtags? Best smart-alec remark to an LOL cat? Someone who has access to a font the rest of us don't? Can you buy the title? Is this a ballot thing? Can I write myself in? Or do I have to rent a Louis Vuitton handbag for a weekend and flash that around? That would be cool for me, can't imagine that's cool for those that would have to watch me prance with it. Ok, having to prance with it...that could be all other sorts of ugly. I gave up coordination after a 1980's appearance on a PBS special on disco dancing in Winnipeg....I think my feet were embarassed to have been seen by all 11 viewers and have been making me suffer for it even since. tongueold

Ok, if I wasn't cool in a brown leotard, white girl fro and gold wrap around skirt in the 80's, I'll probably never be cool.

Disco Inferno 4Ever!!! Wooot Woot!!
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 3 Apr 2012 4:14 PM
 24 Jan 2005
 Calgary
tojules
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Kel, I will friend you tonight. DH has to show me how to find people. rofl

It took me a few months of being on FB to realize that my status said I "liked women". blush I'm seriously challenged with FB.
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 3 Apr 2012 4:34 PM
 13 May 2009
 GTA
muskn
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 3 Apr 2012 4:42 PM
 7 Nov 2011
 bottom of the glass
Probably Drunk
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I'm not interested in the topic of the original post so much as I am in getting a clear cut definition of what WB cool really is. Is there a way we can finally lay that one on the table and sticky it so there's no more confusion as to who is cool and who isn't? A clarification as to whether or not it's to be used as a compliment or insult would be good too smile
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 3 Apr 2012 4:43 PM
 13 May 2009
 GTA
muskn
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Ooooh a sticky.. that would be helpful.
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 3 Apr 2012 4:44 PM
 31 Jul 2010
omaki
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PD - search no further, as I am the epitome of WB cool. shades

See? I even have shades!
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 3 Apr 2012 4:47 PM
 4 Apr 2010
freckle-lee
Chatterbox
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I have seen posters before say that they felt like they were not part of the clique or that no one ever noticed anything they said.
honestly, I think there is some inside stuff that a new poster just isn't going to get. I've been here since 2006, but didn't hang out in misc. all that often til about the last year or so. sometimes I don't "get it".
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 3 Apr 2012 4:52 PM
 17 Oct 2006
__Frysie__
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Okay can someone PM me and tell me who the "cool" (for lack of a better term) posters were that left? I know I am not a prolific poster and could quite easily not notice who disappeared but judging by this post alone it doesn't really feel like a whole bunch of posters are missing...maybe just not posting as much. Then again, I am not the most observant person and would need someone to point them out so I can go "aha...that's right I forgot about that poster".

Please?
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 3 Apr 2012 4:56 PM
 17 Oct 2006
__Frysie__
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Actually could it be that hardly any posters left...they just changed their names or deleted their accounts and came back again. There are a lot of "new" posters here and I am not part of WB enough or sleuthy enough to figure them out.
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 3 Apr 2012 4:58 PM
 24 Jan 2005
 Calgary
tojules
Raving Lunatic
11,202
One person's cool is the next person's drool.

If we can't even agree that Adam Levine from Maroon 5 is hot, I can't imagine how on earth we'd ever agree on what's cool. Well, other than MillyHa seeing she lives in the frozen tundra...she has to be cool. smile

Maybe geographic location & weather is the only way to truly determine who is "cool". Frick, then I may only be cool November to April. Sucks to be me. tongueold

And if you have to watch Survivor or the Bachelor to be cool, count me out. I'd rather be a dork.

I may score some cool redemption points for having touched Peter Facinelli yesterday...but lose some because I didn't touch his tushie. But wait, I'm over 40...I probably lose points for referring to something Twilight.

I prefer to just be lame. It's so much easier, I can do what I want, post what I want and at the end of the day...I don't have to carry forward the next fashion trend. I'd love to relive my 1930's fashion wearing days...that was my favourite.
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 3 Apr 2012 5:08 PM
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marieal
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To me cool= personality. Either you have one or you don't...some of you do, some of you don't. I think the "cool ones" are the ones with spunk, hootspa, charisma.




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 3 Apr 2012 5:08 PM
 31 Jul 2010
omaki
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tojules - I was just going to say that. One person's "cool" poster is another one's top "ignore" poster. So the idea of these "cool" posters is just mind-boggling. I like certain people more than others - WE ALL DO! I certainly like my husband a hell of a lot more than all of you (sorry PD!). No one would be offended by that.

So why is it so offensive to that I may like bride2b2005OMGBBQ better than jaxxonsmamailu? Certain people click, while others rub each other the wrong way. And then there's the in-between of people who kinda know each other, and kinda don't.

There's also posting style. If I always post "this!" or "Wow, I agree" without contributing, people likely aren't going to notice me as much as if I were to contribute something new to most posts - whether it be something really well-written, super funny or downright offensive. (And yes, on WB you can be the biggest B in the world and still have people "like" you.) I can tell you that it wasn't until I started posting in more controversial threads with what I really thought that people started to notice my posts. One of the times that I "disappeared" I hadn't been posting as much and no one noticed. The last time I took a break, I'd been posting quite frequently beforehand and my absence was noticed.


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 3 Apr 2012 5:09 PM
 31 Jul 2010
omaki
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Frackin' QOTP. It's an unwanted gift. tongueold
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 3 Apr 2012 5:16 PM
 31 Jul 2010
omaki
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There is no excuse for the FB crap - pent up drama or whatever. That's a pretty lame excuse for calling people names and being nasty.

The horribly ironic thing about the whole debacle is that people always say that if we were posting with our real names we'd probably post differently. I didn't realize that meant people would just be mean just for the sake of it.
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 3 Apr 2012 5:20 PM
 31 Jul 2010
omaki
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Well, I certainly didn't post that to mean that "If you don't post like this, you're not cool." But alas, if that's how people want to interpret it, go ahead.

It's not what I meant, though.

I need tantheta's guide to getting noticed on WB. tongueold

Raynn - I gave you props not too long ago for giving great advice. Now I'm sad you didn't remember that. geek
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 3 Apr 2012 7:04 PM
 28 Jul 2011
iseesquared
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I'm not sure what's more annoying: People claiming there are cool people or people trying to be cool by calling themselves 'uncool'.
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 3 Apr 2012 8:14 PM
 3 Jan 2009
zoobaby
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1) I find it mind-boggling that theoretically mature adults will happily tear others apart on the web, whether it is "anonymously" on WB or "publicly" on Facebook. I was asked if I wanted to join the FB and I declined for two reason: one was to retain some semblance of privacy between my WB alter ego and my real life, and because I find the thought of grown people ripping into one another to settle "drama" highly distasteful.

2) You get out of WB what you put in. If you post actively, quote others in your responses, start OPs, and post honestly, people will get to know who you are. Post genuinely about things you're interested in and people will become interested in you.

3) As a person who was "indifferent" to the change, this "indifference" is a learned response after years of flying prematurely off the handle about various imaginary scenarios. In my world, "indifference" = maturity, and the desire to see the full picture before drawing conclusions. I would rather be wrong for waiting and seeing than wrong for making a fuss about a conclusion that proved to be incorrect. This is clearly a personality trait, and one which I saw in a lot of "indifferent" posters.

4) Would anyone think the content of the forums was any different if this drama hadn't gone down, and it had only slowed for a few weeks? I think not.
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 3 Apr 2012 9:00 PM
 13 Aug 2006
 Calgary, Alberta
cherryblossom
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Sorry, I didn't mean to bring "cool" into it. Just sorta slipped out. tongueold I have definitely noticed a drop in posts by a whole bunch of posters, but actual departures, I only know of 2, plus the 3 that altergirl mentioned. Not sure who this big exodus is made up of... Most of the "large" characters (as in people I really notice), seem to still be kicking around. My memory could just be total crap though.
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 3 Apr 2012 10:00 PM
 12 May 2008
 Wisconsin, USA
ruby_wi
Raving Lunatic
14,221
I think Zoobaby is my girl crush. Especially with #3 there smile
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 4 Apr 2012 1:13 PM
 24 Jan 2005
 Calgary
tojules
Raving Lunatic
11,202
Honestly, I'd love to figure out how to get my hands on that tape to see if it's as mortifying now as I remember it. laugh It's probably stashed in the PBS archives in Winnipeg never to be seen again.

I can imagine if I ever wanted to a political career...it would probably resurface then. laugh
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