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 11 Apr 2012 8:20 PM
 5 Jan 2009
 Ottawa, ON
sgalla161
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I've been in a pool with PHAC since May. I realized about 6 months ago it wasn't happening... frown
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 11 Apr 2012 9:06 PM
 8 Sep 2008
 Ottawa, ON
Nanookie
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I'm sorry so many of you received letters today. frown
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 11 Apr 2012 9:31 PM
 21 Sep 2007
AppleBlossom
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We haven't received any news yet.. the uncertainty is so stressful frown
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 11 Apr 2012 9:33 PM
 21 Sep 2007
AppleBlossom
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I'm so sorry for all of those who received letters today frown I have no polite words - This blows.
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 11 Apr 2012 10:07 PM
 13 Aug 2010
honeysher 2.0
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I can't even begin to imagine how some of you are feeling. I hope things work out and that the long time periods allows you time to find other work.
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 11 Apr 2012 10:37 PM
 23 Jul 2009
 Nova Scotia
5_Dimples
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Wow this sucks in so many ways!

I have to say though I think these cuts are being handled pretty well and the options given to affected employees are quite hopeful.

Good luck to all those affected!
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 11 Apr 2012 11:35 PM
 9 Oct 2008
 Victoria, BC
jasey
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Wow, surprised to see so many more posts in here today. Sorry to hear all the bad news, hopefully another gov't or non-gov't job will turn up quickly. It's all very confusing and convoluted to a non-governmenter though, holy cow, I think I'd be too dumb to work there, wouldn't even understand half the words said.

Although, this one did make me giggle a bit: "transition support measure = the package" Really?!
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 11 Apr 2012 11:40 PM
 30 Aug 2004
 Victoria, BC
rshaw
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I am so sorry to hear some of you are affected frown

We had our Townhall today and nobody in our region will be WFA.

Big hugs everyone, tough times.
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 12 Apr 2012 12:00 AM
 17 May 2009
6thyear
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I'm on maternity leave, and nobody has bothered to get in touch and let me know what's up. Think I will get in touch with my group. I don't want to bug them, but... frown

Any chance I could expect any information via snail mail? tongueold
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 12 Apr 2012 7:11 AM
 2 Apr 2012
 here n there
Acadia
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I am so sorry to those of you affected frown

Our department had letters out yesterday. From what I am understanding, 1000 affected employees across Canada. There are only 6000 employees total frown

Some research centres closing down completely. Several of my friends affected. This fricken sucks.

We have both an All-Staff and a Branch Town Hall this afternoon. Wish me luck. Oh... and DH's department still hasn't gone through all theirs yet... so more nail-biting to come.

Good luck to all!
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 12 Apr 2012 7:16 AM
 2 Apr 2012
coffee_bean
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I'm currently on mat leave too, and a friend sent me the info for the Town Hall meeting on Tuesday (I took my 8 month old DD with me). My Director emailed me at home yesterday asking that I attend a meeting this morning. I'm expecting to get my "affected" letter, and I believe I will have to compete for retention.
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 12 Apr 2012 8:42 AM
 10 Feb 2004
 Russell (Ottawa area)
_April_
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I'm really sorry for all of us going through this.

I have a really good deck on WFA prepared by HC. I can't see why it can't be shared?!
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 12 Apr 2012 8:46 AM
 20 Oct 2010
the_mrs
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For those of you affected, there is also a swap forum where you can post looking for someone to alternate with. I also read that you can swap with anyone as long as the top of your salary range is within a 6% variance (so an AS2 could swap with an IS2, PM2, EC2 etc so long as they met the qualifications of the job and the manager approves it)

you'll need to be on a gov computer to access this link, i think

http://www.gcforums.gc.ca/default.aspx?g=forum&c=35
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 12 Apr 2012 8:58 AM
 27 Oct 2009
mrssp
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My gosh, this really reall sucks. I'm so sorry to everyone that's been affected.

DH is really uncertain where he stands. He works for a department with the smallest cutbacks, but even he isn't sure about what's going to happen and won't find out until the end of the month.

We were told by our DG that we are "safe" but honestly, I am still a little worried.

DH and I both work in internal services jobs, so that makes me worried because I've heard lots of things about cost reduction through cutting internal services. I'd like to think that the very specialized nature of my job might protect me (only two of us in this region who do the job for my department), but I really don't know what to think anymore. frown
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 12 Apr 2012 9:34 AM
 4 Jan 2006
Mary Ann
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So sorry to hear of so many being affected. Truly a shock to the system. I hope that you all are able to find other work.

I haven't been here, but I saw this posted on GC Forums that they've set up a FB group:
http://www.facebook.com/groups/WFA.RE/

This may be of help to anyone on mat leave who can't access the internal forums.
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 12 Apr 2012 10:36 AM
 10 Feb 2004
 Russell (Ottawa area)
_April_
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Thanks, I asked to join.
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 12 Apr 2012 10:40 AM
 12 Feb 2011
 Ottawa, ON
RShannon
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There is still a "deafening silence" in my department. Not much communication yet.

Very sorry to hear about those affected.
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 12 Apr 2012 11:43 AM
 24 Apr 2007
 New Brunswick
Moexx
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I haven't heard anything, hoping it means good news.
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 12 Apr 2012 11:48 AM
 8 Sep 2008
 Ottawa, ON
Nanookie
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I found out from a friend that my agency's closing three regional offices (out of 5) and eliminating 18 positions in the NCR. It's not bad, but we're only roughly 400 people to begin with.
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 12 Apr 2012 2:54 PM
 17 May 2009
6thyear
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Can someone please explain what alternating is and why you'd want to do it?

Is the idea to find someone who is retiring soon, and switch jobs with them if your job has/will be cut?
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 13 Apr 2012 8:07 AM
 10 Feb 2004
 Russell (Ottawa area)
_April_
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I've decided I'm going to be proactive about finding an alternate now. That may be to my advantage because I only get my letter on April 1 2013.

And I will have the "options" since these were explained to us at the meeting on Wednesday when they told us we would be deemed surplus in a year.

Something I'm going to discuss with my boss (a DG) is how we could get the news of my situation to the person I'm replacing. She apparently doesn't want to come back to this job and is on leave and working somewhere else right now. Maybe she could switch with me and take my options?! That would get her out of having to come back here.

I feel much better today!!!
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 13 Apr 2012 10:37 AM
 2 May 2005
Maritime Mama
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Good for you April - hope it works out!
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 14 Apr 2012 1:48 AM
 15 Jul 2007
 Canada
mama loca
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Do any of you know what happens to people on leave? Can they be let go (or whatever the bla bla terminology is)?

I am on maternity leave until next week and then I'm going on LWOP for five years *hopefully*. Am I safe?

I haven't heard anything AT ALL from work other than that there were changes coming. We work on cost recovery so it's a bit different and my position is one of the ones that brings in the $$$.
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 14 Apr 2012 6:53 AM
 23 Oct 2011
 Ottawa
Meechie
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These are some rough and scary times. I am fortunately safe but I was involved in the process of calling "affected" employees who were on various types of leave for a meeting with my DG (I'm his assistant). I didn't expect us to be so impacted but that's not the reality.
I wish everyone affected or surplused all the very best; I am so sorry you are in the position but hopefully there will be positive in this for you.
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 14 Apr 2012 2:21 PM
 7 Jan 2003
 Ottawa
Katiea
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I believe that if you are on LWOP, and/or Maternity leave and your position is declared affected and surplus, your clock will stock ticking and day 1 will be the day you return. Unless you find something before coming back.

Being on leave doesn't matter in the decision for a cutback. It's either cut, or not.
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 31 Oct 2012 11:59 PM
 30 Apr 2012
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 15 Apr 2012 1:01 PM
 12 Mar 2009
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I was wondering if anyone knows what happens if you are declared surplus and you leave on maternity leave after (say 9 months later). Would one even get a top-up as one would not be able to return to work after maternity leave and work as long as one was off (becuase one would have no job to return to). I know if you don't return to work for as long as you were off, you have to pay back the top up, but in this case not returning, is not by choice. I have heard about the "clock stopping" but I have not seen anything in writing. Any thoughts on this would be really helpful. FOr some context, I found out I was surplus on Wednesday and we are in the midst of trying for baby number 3. I am 35 so I really don't want to put things off too long smile
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 15 Apr 2012 7:18 PM
 12 Mar 2009
sylvia23
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Thanks for the information.

Nathan's Mom- Can you tell me exactly where you pulled that from. I would like to send it to my friend, who was also told she is surplus, and is set to leave on maternity leave in July. By the looks of this she would not qualify for th top up either, as she would be unable to meet the "return to work obligations". At least my husband and I can still weigh our options at this point, but others did not have that luxury.

This situation is really bad. I am trying to look for the positive here...but I lost the job I loved and challenged me, I will no longer work with colleagues I have worked with for the better part of a decade...and now it looks like we might have to delay adding the much anticipated baby number 3.

where is my wine frown
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 15 Apr 2012 11:15 PM
 18 Jul 2006
Dazed
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This thread makes me really sad, and it all seems so stressful.

If it makes anyone feel any better, I did not vote Conservative. And I won't be voting Wild Rose in Alberta, either (as they plan to do the same thing---decimate the public service in Alberta). It's about the only thing I could have done, and reading this thread, I'm glad that at least I tried. frown
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 16 Apr 2012 7:22 AM
 24 Apr 2007
 New Brunswick
Moexx
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Well I got confirmation that our whole group is safe but our Programs group is affected. The whole gang (admins, managers ...). I don't know the details as I'm on leave but it seems they're creating Center of Excelence or something like that and jobs are moving. It sucks.
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 16 Apr 2012 9:50 AM
 13 Jun 2008
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^yeah, the COEs are awful and so pointless.

5 ppl in my old division are asked to move to either moncton or vancouver. if they decline, they'll be laid off. it's a pretty huge decision for folks to make, esp. folks who have spouses/partners who work in ottawa. basically, one of the partners will have to lose their job (for the move, or to stay put).

two employees w/in our agency who are married were each asked to move to separate cities. no lie. soooo, one of them has to quit... or they get to do a long distance marriage! tongueold
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 16 Apr 2012 12:32 PM
 24 Apr 2007
 New Brunswick
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That sucks. I'm in Moncton and it looks like none of the Programs jobs are staying here. Again, I'm not clear on the details as I'm only hearing it from others. I'm pretty upset about a few ppl as they are such a huge asset for our agency. Employees who have knowledge and expertise that are not easy to come by and are very valued and we might loose them because moving to BC doesn't really work for everyone.
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 16 Apr 2012 6:13 PM
 23 Jul 2009
 Nova Scotia
5_Dimples
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I'm just curious...and I don't mean any offense by it, but do u think federal employees (yourself or people you know) would take a pay cut or a reduction in benefits in order to avoid layoffs and keep their jobs?
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 16 Apr 2012 6:59 PM
 2 Aug 2009
Nuke
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Why are they moving positions to other provinces?
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 18 Apr 2012 11:49 AM
 5 Feb 2006
 ottawa
chip22
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As a union steward this is what I've been told about people on Leave (especially mat). They may be affected but will not participate In the selection for retention process until they return from leave. So if their job family is doing a track record in May and they are coming back from leave in August the entire job family will go through the process in May and impacted notices will go out say in July. But the person on leave will return in August and be required in August to do the same track record for evaluation. It is not 100% clear what happens if they should be impacted instead of someone who was impacted in July (ie will the person impacted in July be reinstated). But so far as what I've been told by union and management, people on leave without pay are only yo be evaluated when they return from leave.
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 18 Apr 2012 11:57 AM
 5 Feb 2006
 ottawa
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I also wanted to adress whoever it was that suggested it might work if public servants collectively agreed to take a pay cut. While I'm 100% opposed to that (as my group is already horribly underpaid, for the job we do we could make $20,000 more minimum in the private sector....not all public servants are overpaid with cushy jibs and golden pensions, some of the knowledge workers are grossly underpaid). The reason the this wasn't even an option is because the government isn't looking for monetary reductions they are looking at personnel reductions. They think that the sheer njmbe rof federal public servants is too large. That is their goal. To reduce the number of people. Even if the salaries were reduced nad the cost were reduced, they still think the optics of the number of people is the bigger issue. When they tLk about how bloated it is they talk about bodies not dollars.
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 18 Apr 2012 2:18 PM
 23 Jul 2009
 Nova Scotia
5_Dimples
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I was the one who asked if people would take pay cuts to save jobs. Just to be clear I wasn't saying they should, I have no clue who gets paid what. Or if it's a feasible option. I was just curious if people *would* do it. It's something many many workers have had to face to save their companies or industries. So, just a curiousity question smile
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 19 Apr 2012 12:14 AM
 15 Jul 2007
 Canada
mama loca
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I was the one asking about what can happen when on leave...

My manager sent me an email yesterday - apparently they had a meeting last week and she forwarded all those on leave the coles notes version of what happened.

I'm happy and relieved to say for the time being all is fine with us. There will be changes down the road but nothing nearly as scary as what is happening in other departments. I'm sure the fact we are on cost recovery has something to do with it. We still have to cut corners etc. but that's it for now. PHEW!
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 19 Apr 2012 8:10 AM
 10 Feb 2004
 Russell (Ottawa area)
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My Program is cost recovery. We're a seller so to speak...

Still getting dismantled because Harper doesn't like us. *sigh*
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 19 Apr 2012 11:24 AM
 15 Jul 2007
 Canada
mama loca
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Oh April - I'm so sorry to hear that. It bites. I hope that only wonderful things come your way from now on!
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 19 Apr 2012 2:34 PM
 22 Apr 2006
 Halifax, NS
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I just heard today that the third wave of cuts will be announced soon. Most likely next week, but definitely by the end of the first week of May.

My program isn't looking very strong right now, so I"m not terribly hopeful.

I agree with whomever mentioned above that this might be the push I need to move in a different direction. I'm definitely not opposed to moving away from the feds.
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 19 Apr 2012 4:37 PM
 22 Mar 2012
 Ottawa, Ontario
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We already got our cuts and I'm as safe as a term can be. We actually merged with another unit on paper, but in terms of job loss we're loosing 3 people hopefully threw attriction (sp?). We think that it should be 1 from our unit and 2 from the other, and if that's the case we probably won't fill the open posistion that's in our office.
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 20 Apr 2012 7:53 AM
 10 Feb 2004
 Russell (Ottawa area)
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There were supposed to be more jobs looses announced this passed week (April 18).

Perhaps this was delyaed with the chaos/fall-out of April 11th.

AFM, I'm feeling OK about things. I believe alternation might be my best bet with fresh "able-to-retire" meat popping up all the time, I'm bound to find someone to switch with a year from now.

There is also the chance that the new office will have a position for me and my Directorate will be working to prioritize us before other HC employees and even the PS.

I'd be really surprised if I'm completly out of a job when this is all said and done.
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 25 Apr 2012 2:34 PM
 14 Jan 2010
 Ottawa ON
T's Mama
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I work for the Feds under Industry, but our agency is a Seperate Employer and the cuts are only just starting to happen frown It looks like we'll lose about 20% of our workforce. I am currently on Care & Nurturing leave so I feel a little out of the loop, but my manager has informed me that our WFA strategy will begin mid-may. I am terrified of losing my job!!

I learned today that if my position is deemed surplus, I won't be placed on the public service surplus priority list because we're a seperate employer.

Hope it's all good news on this thread for the weeks ahead!
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 25 Apr 2012 5:27 PM
 10 Feb 2004
 Russell (Ottawa area)
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OMG. I'm so sorry. Are you with Stats?

I was reading about their impending cuts this morning. Also yet to be announced PWGSC and HRSDC.

20% of the workforce seems like a lot consider all departments were supposed to cut was 15% which included not only salary dollars.
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 25 Apr 2012 7:27 PM
 2 May 2005
Maritime Mama
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Parks also hasn't announced as of yet. People are getting pretty fed up and anxious waiting for news...
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 25 Apr 2012 10:01 PM
 22 Apr 2006
 Halifax, NS
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We're expecting it any day now (DFO). Some thought it would've been announced today, but it looks like it might be pushed back for another week.

Maritime Mama - that's exactly how our offices are feeling. Just tell us already, you know?
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 25 Apr 2012 10:17 PM
 9 Feb 2011
 Ottawa, On
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We find out on Monday. And I feel the same as others, I just want to know now! Or you know two weeks ago like most others in my department. I think it's only my branch that doesn't know yet. We have a meeting tomorrow where we can ask questions with an HR rep, but I don't really know what they expect us to ask when we don't know anything yet. It's been a frustrating couple of weeks, and every meeting we have leaves me feeling worse because they don't actually tell us anything.

FH is at least safe.
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 26 Apr 2012 9:07 AM
 14 Jan 2010
 Ottawa ON
T's Mama
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Thanks April-how are you coping?
I'm with the funding agencies (NSERC/SSHRC/CIHR). Apparently the depts that were quick with their news were the ones who had developed a WFA strategy before the budget was announced. Our dept was "hoping for the best" so they're only just starting now. The committees are in talks and letters will be sent out at the end of May frown
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 26 Apr 2012 9:12 AM
 20 Oct 2010
the_mrs
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Our all-staff meetings are Monday. I was in a meeting with a bunch of people from several branches yesterday and at the end of it we were checking our blackberries and most of us had notices of all-branch meetings on Monday, seemingly all sent in unison from our ADMOs... Meep. I think I am probably okay, but stranger things have happened... The question now is just wondering if we get the letters before or after the meeting.
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 26 Apr 2012 9:24 AM
 10 Feb 2004
 Russell (Ottawa area)
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Oh and AFM, I'm heading to an HC WFA info session tomorrow with an old colleague of mine.

My biggest issue right now is being seconded to another department while information in my home Department is flying back and forth.
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