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After a discussion at uni, it was surprising how different our views were on what we class as being fat. We know the BMI isn't a very useful tool, neither is dress size as it depends on your build and height etc.

But when you see a person what makes you think 'they are fat'?

On the other hand, where is the line with being too skinny?

Please be sensitive to others views etc, this is just for fun.
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 12 Apr 2012 11:13 PM
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Ya....fun.

You know what else is fun? SPAM!
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 12 Apr 2012 11:18 PM
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Wow, and with such good typing skills. They're getting better, those spammers. shades
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 12 Apr 2012 11:38 PM
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Ohhh I almost clicked! You just about got me! Without the spam responses I totally would have clicked!
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 12 Apr 2012 11:53 PM
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Spam makes you fat.

Spamming makes you dumb.
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 12 Apr 2012 11:56 PM
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For those of you who are concerned about becoming fat:


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 13 Apr 2012 12:27 AM
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Fat, or Phat? smile
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 13 Apr 2012 12:41 AM
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Why do people spam? Seriously? Why?
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 13 Apr 2012 7:31 AM
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Dammit! I was expecting a serious conversation. Boo.

Oh well, I still get to share this. thumbsup


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 13 Apr 2012 7:36 AM
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Also? This.


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 13 Apr 2012 8:00 AM
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Okay well it may be spam but I am going to steer it in a serious direction. I believe it could make for an interesting topic.

I am a big girl 5'9 -195 lbs. According to BMI I am overweight nearing obesity. Personally I don't see myself like that. When I look in the mirror I don't think I am "that" heavy....but if I see pictures of myself then I think "Oh my Gosh I look like the blob!"

I would like to do something about it and occasionally eat cleaner and exercise more but it seems I always sabotage myself. frown Blah.
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 13 Apr 2012 8:44 AM
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Right now I would consider myself chubby at 167 lbs. wink I'm tall ish (5'7/5'8) and have a heavier build, so most people are surprised to hear the number and assume I'm at least 10-15 lbs lighter than I am.

For ME, I would have to reach 200 lbs before panicking and actually getting my butt to the gym. tongueold I don't think that is necessarily 'fat' for everyone though.
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 13 Apr 2012 9:51 AM
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For the record this is a pic of me taken 2 weeks ago in Atlantic City. All 5'9, 195 lbs of me.


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 13 Apr 2012 10:08 AM
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Size 16 there. Though that may be the "norm" now it definitely isn't not overweight. At least according to most anything you look at, clothing size, bmi calculators etc.
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 13 Apr 2012 1:06 PM
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The OP is fat
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 13 Apr 2012 2:23 PM
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I am 5'6, and around 135-140lbs. I wear a size 6-8.
What drives me crazy is people call me skinny. I hate that word. I hate it with a passion. tell me I'm slim, thin, fit, anything but skinny. Until I hit my 20s, I probably did fall under the category of skinny. as I weighed 15-20 lbs less. In high school I got called toothpick, got asked if I was anorexic.

I have a high metabolism and am very active with the kids at work when I am working. Just the other day I went by my old work and one of the girls yelled "krista- eat something; you are too skinny". she said it jokingly but I hate those kind of comments. One of my friends always comments that I am built like this and sticks out her finger. Being told you are built like a stick is not a compliment. (and I beg to differ, I have boobs and hips). or people say stupid things like "you weigh what..100lbs, soaking wet"? If I was 5'6, and 100lbs-yes go ahead and call me skinny.
I am not skinny. bleh. I hate that word.
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 13 Apr 2012 2:39 PM
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context has a lot more to do with a compliment more than the words themselves.

I don't think "you're so skinny, eat something", is a compliment.
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 13 Apr 2012 3:11 PM
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Back in high school, I was on the thin end of the scale, but still had curves... 6'... 35-25-37 (yes, natural waist, 25"... at 6' tall). I had a super-high metabolism. BMI 19.

"slim" is a compliment. "skinny" isn't. "skinny" is announcing a flaw. It's like the difference between "curvy" (positive), "Reubenesque" (positive), "plump" (generally meant in a positive way) and "fat" (definitely negative)

Years of being called 'skinny' led to a very unhealthy relationship with food. Which led to a total reversal when my thyroid decided that heredity is fun and started to shut down. Which in turn led to a further unhealthy relationship with food. Which brings me to my current situation of a BMI that's definitely in the 'overweight' category and bordering on "obese" some 20 years later.

If you like or care about someone, don't call them 'skinny'. please.
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 13 Apr 2012 3:13 PM
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Well, whatever you say, I would LOVE to be called skinny. I'm sure millions of other women would, too.
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 13 Apr 2012 4:06 PM
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The way I see it, we ALL have our insecurities, no matter what size we are.

Therefore, if someone feels insulted when they are called "skinny", who am I to judge?

I haven't been in their shoes, so I will never *truly* know how it feels.

And the grass is always greener on the other side. Some "average" people may look at "skinny" people and envy their bodies. On the other hand, there are "skinny" people who would kill to be a bit more curvy.
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 13 Apr 2012 5:45 PM
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Not the greatest example of MY view but here's one that many would disagree with; I think



I'd rather be the skinny girl on the left and see absolutely no benefits of being the "fat girl" (even though she's not that fat) on the right. Like zero benefits.

And NO, I paid zero attention to the girl in the middle - I pictured myeself as one or the other - right or left. The girl in the middle "ideally" is far too soft for me being that nice of a size. Period.
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 13 Apr 2012 6:33 PM
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Just an example of skinny arms that do pull ups



And even skinnier arms - the 'fat girl' wouldn't be doing this - only 'skinny' arms could pull this off

And please note - those are palms FORWARD! thats a strrong girl, thats a man's pull up when she's not in that position her arms will look pretty darn skinny (and cut) not like third girl above. Fatter, does NOT mean stronger.


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 13 Apr 2012 6:51 PM
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While I admire the effort and determination that it takes to achieve the body in pic 2 above - I would never want to look like that. IMO - again - for me - that is way too masculine looking.
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 13 Apr 2012 7:44 PM
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I definitely would not want to look like the girl on the left. Of the 3 I would prefer to look more like the girl on the right, except more fit. I have never been a wisp of a thing and never will be and I am so fine with that. I like my boobs and hips and curves, i would still like to lose weight, but not enough to lose the things I like about myself.
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 13 Apr 2012 8:09 PM
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Look, here's the bottom line, if you got lots of extra fat on you, that is not useful, you're too fat.

FAT IS NOT AN ORGAN; IT IS NOT A NECISSITY. If you can grab globules of it on your rib cage, stomach, sides, thighs, bum, thats fat.

Fat is not necessary to that extent. Candy coat it, donut cover it all you want - train your eye to enhance it but anybody who says those 3 girls I posted above that the third or second would look good in a bikini, wedding dress, t shirt and jeans, dress would LOOK better and they'd love to look like that is a flat out liar.

Ya, I'm saying you're a flat out liar because you are either a) that size or larger wishing you were smaller and want to accept your size or b) WAY larger and would do anything to be that "large".

And I've done these posts for years - the only congregation of women who admire the "large" size women are here.

They always say they don't care. They care A LOT.
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 31 Oct 2012 11:59 PM
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 13 Apr 2012 8:36 PM
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some ppl are real life douchebags. I'm not like the one on the left; more like the one in the middle or even between the one in the middle and the one on the right. I've had 2 kids though, and have stetch marks and I'm sure her butt looks better than mine. Would you tell the one in the middle that she is so skinny-eat something? how bout the one on the left? do you think she would think it's a compliment? The girls at work used to call me "the skinny white chick". it wasn't a term of endearment.
would you enjoy somebody shoving a box of donuts in your face and saying "have a donut, you need to eat". do you think that's a compliment?

I don't think the girl on the right is fat. she looks pretty fit to me. she has a bigger build than the one in the middle.
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 13 Apr 2012 8:38 PM
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im bigger then the one on the right..but people tell me I am getting to skinny and to eat a donut..definitely not a compliment as far as i am concerned
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 13 Apr 2012 9:21 PM
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Moosehead is totally right.

There are no benefits to being fat in our society. If that were the case, the diet industry would not be a MULTI-MILLION dollar industry. We have Jenny Craig, Weight-watchers, Zone Diet Deliveries, Herbal Magic, I could go on and on. Just how many multi-million dollar equivalents can you name, for the weight-gain industry? We even have several threads on this forum, packed to the gills with posters who are desperately trying to lose weight. And to add insult to injury,overweight people also face serious discrimination.

Just this week, a study was released that found children associate very negative character traits with overweight/obese people. They learn this "fat bias" from a very early age, because hatred of overweight people is RAMPANT throughout our society! This was reported on, in The Star, if you want to look it up.

Right now, five out of seven women in my department (at work) are overweight. Every day, I hear them agonize over their body image. The pain, anguish, and exclusion they feel is very difficult to witness.

The other two women in the department are skinny. And you know what? I've never seen them break down in tears over their weight. I've never seen them beat themselves up (daily) over every morsel of food they eat. I've never heard other staff members mock and ridicule them for their weight. And for the record, I'm counting myself as one of the two. The misery of the overweight women in my department is PALPABLE.

I've been on BOTH ends of the spectrum. I know exactly how it feels. People make fun of you, you can't buy fashionable clothes, you can't find supportive sports bras, plus size clothes are too expensive, you feel self-conscious all the time, random strangers play "food police" games with you at the grocery store...

Go ahead and call me skinny. In our society, it is an advantage. People who call you skinny would kill to trade places with you. I know, because i've been there. And I'll take it in a heartbeat, over the misery that I've listed above.

ETA: The terms slim, slender and skinny all sound the same to me.
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 13 Apr 2012 9:21 PM
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Whats my idea of skinny girl? Something like this:

(sorry, she gets posted since she posted on a blog)



Now lets pick her apart. Notice her legs - the shape and size are not much bigger than her arms. Her ankles are almost touching but there is a huge gap between her legs this = almost zero muscle tone.

She would look terrible in a strabless dress - if the dress actually fit (I will not call down bosom) her hips would appear almost 'large' because her shoulders are so very narrow.

Were she to pouff up her hair and make big hair it would appear her shoulder wouldn't be able to hold up her bobble head.

Now I really hate to use this picture (I know who this woman is) but she's probably AT LEAST 10 - 15% less bodyfat and probably weighs a good 10 or 15 pounds MORE than the skinny chick. I hate to go to the way end of the spectrum but it proves my point.



I realize its an extreme example but I find it absolutely amazing when you see a tiny, fit girl weighing 145 pounds and a pudgy girl weighing 125 pounds.
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 13 Apr 2012 9:23 PM
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The point most of us were trying to make is that slim, slender, thin are okay but skinny is an insult.

"close to the bone" OMG I don't know what I would do if someone said that to my face.
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 13 Apr 2012 9:42 PM
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nerase
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so i agree with most of what you posted, but I want to highlight this because I find now that I am much lighter, people definitely treat you differently. It's a sad reality.

One of the first things I noticed, is that strangers were much nicer to me. When I was at my heaviest, out in public, people either ignored me completely or gave me dirty looks.

You're right, it is sad. (And WEIRD!) I'm still the same person!! Oh, and Marieal, you're definitely NOT nutso smile
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 13 Apr 2012 9:46 PM
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Goose I also think that muscular girl in the red top is the hottest that has been posted. But that's what I strive for myself.
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 13 Apr 2012 9:48 PM
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also why does it have to be "your so skinny!" why not just "you look great" "have you lost weight, because it looks like you have"
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 13 Apr 2012 9:54 PM
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Is it a compliment when someone who has gone through chemo is called skinny? Is it desirable for someone who is starving and can't afford to feed themselves to be skinny?

The point here, is that there is a SYSTEMIC BIAS against fat people in our society. If you are going through chemo, you are going to be surrounded by sympathetic people. You will not be mocked, blamed, or scorned. People will go out of their way to HELP you. They will look favourably upon you.

Fair enough, *you* may not perceive it as a compliment... but our SOCIETY generally does.

ETA:
I probably need to stop posting in this thread. I'm clearly (still) way-too emotionally affected by all of this. Even though I lost the weight years ago...


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 13 Apr 2012 10:15 PM
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Another one that hates being teased for being thin. I don't care if it is jealousy or not, making comments about what I am or am not eating is rude. Just as rude as someone commenting on a fat girls meal choice. Telling me to shut up because skinny people don't get to talk at the table is rude. Saying I don't get to decide what is and is not offensive to me because I am "society's ideal" is also rude.
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 13 Apr 2012 10:26 PM
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If the average model takes her clothes off, she's going to look like that woman.

Young skinny models, for better or worse, tend to be idealized. For the fashion industry, media and movies, the thinner you are, the better.

I agree with you though, I think she's a bit underweight (you can see her hip-bones).
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 14 Apr 2012 1:02 PM
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thank you moosehead!
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 14 Apr 2012 2:22 PM
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Any adjective, when used with judgement, mal-intent, spite, sarcasm, OR when you have a complex, can & will be hurtful. Even pretty can be equated with stupid at times.

When someone says "you're too skinny" and you hear "you're not pretty" you're not going to take it as a compliment.

That being said, when I looked most like the chick on the left (major pokey collarbones, rippling rib bones, very small boobs) I still thought I was fat because I have big thigh and butt muscles on non-slight frame. Being too skinny wasn't possible - it was never an insult for me.

Personally, while "I" would want to look like the one on the left because I know clothes will look best, I find the one on the right most esthetically pleasing, as I want to imagine her naked. Even though I don't accept myself when I look like her.

The chick on the right is no where near what I consider fat, not even chunky. That would probably take another 30-40 lbs on her frame - she is nicely proportioned- no rolls, non-protruding belly, non-flapping arms, no heavy thighs, no cankles.

For the record, I'm boardering on what I consider fat - I'm lucky that if I'm careful I can pull off more of a Christina Hendricks look instead of looking like a fat slob.

Pictures never lie to me - looking back, I know when I was too skinny, or too fat, or looked good. The mirror lies.







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 14 Apr 2012 2:46 PM
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This article is quite on point:

http://nymag.com/fashion/10/spring/63808/

And its not Hendrickss fault that shes come to everyones attention as an actress at a time when bodies are very much an issueif not the issueas far as fashion is concerned. There are the various attempts by fashion cities like So Paulo and Milan to police model weight; there are press conferences, BMI restrictions, mandatory turkey sandwiches backstage at every show. But lately there have also been baby steps taken toward the (unfortunately) radical idea that looking good need not involve so much rejection of the naturally occurring female shape. Glamour has begun to mix models of various sizes into its regular editorial shoots. A recent issue of V concerned itself with shape, pointing out that clotheseven fashion clothescan look good on differently sized people.

But too often the size discussion becomes almost grotesque, as if the only alternative to being as lean as a skinless Perdue chicken breast is to veer wildly (and unhealthily) in the opposite direction (Gabourey Sidibe, Beth Ditto). One cant help wonder if the fashion worlds obsession with those two women, both of whom deserve prominent coverage for their talent first and foremost, isnt in some sense overcompensation, an attempt to atone for the terribly thin models who still hold sway everywhere. Either way, it becomes a game of extremes
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 14 Apr 2012 3:04 PM
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I didn't know who the heck Beth Ditto was. I'd call this fat, but not obese.



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 14 Apr 2012 3:10 PM
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^ I would classify that as obese.


As for me, I am 5'4" and 150 and wear a size 8. I consider myself to be average weight and build. I am currently trying to lose 20 lbs and would LOVE if someone called me skinny.
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 14 Apr 2012 3:15 PM
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This is obese (including the one on the far right)



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 14 Apr 2012 3:33 PM
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According to the BMI calculator, a woman who is 5'6" (and I am guessing based on the picture) and 200 lbs (which she definitely is at least that) would have a BMI of 32. A BMI of 30 or more is considered obese.

That second picture you posted is so much more than just obese. That is dangerously, morbidly, obese.
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 14 Apr 2012 3:35 PM
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I don't believe in BMI calculations, my posts were opinions.
But I agree that 3 out of 4 above were morbidly obese, it's not something I wanted to spend a lot of time googling.
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 14 Apr 2012 3:41 PM
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I like the middle woman AND the woman on the left. I find boobs and curves most appealing, and I prefer a "softness" as opposed to a harder, muscular edge. Thankfully DH feels the same way. As someone else pointed out, there is nothing flabby about the woman on the left. She seems fit for her own body type. And I'm not lying when I say I don't want to be the woman on the right. If I did, I'd still be trying to lose weight and I'm not. I'm happily maintaining a body that's a cross between the middle and the left. That's what looks good on *me*. I don't have to aspire to someone else's ideals. smile
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 14 Apr 2012 4:46 PM
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Okay, would it make you feel better if I said picture posted of Beth Ditto was also very unattractive? Because that is also MY opinion.

I was only commenting on you repeating yourself about fat not being a vital organ. I just think it was kind of a dumb argument to be repeated several times.

You may not have used the word gross but you most definitely made your views on overweight people very clear in this thread and others.
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 14 Apr 2012 5:20 PM
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Did I actually repeat "vital organ" or say it once?
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 14 Apr 2012 6:12 PM
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MH: I stand corrected. You only said the fat as vital organ comment twice, not several times.It was quoted several times, and it bugged me each time I read it. I felt the need to comment.

In any case, I don't think me using the word gross to describe the fake tanned muscley woman who obviously have much more self confidence in the way they look than someone who is overweight/obese does, is as bad as what you have said about overweight people. But if my comment offended any of the body building ladies of WB, I apologize.
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 14 Apr 2012 6:26 PM
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That was kind and big of you ladykate. Were you or anyone else around when a longstanding good member who was dedicated to being fit and healthy was literally told to her face she looked gross? Yes, that did happen. She quit - deleted her profile and never returned.

She actually wasn't ultra cut at 4 or 6% bodyfat, just nicely built, very healthy and fit looking but for one freaking stupid day of her life put on fake spray tan and oiled up slightly so she wouldn't look pasty under ultra high ligting that would make her look like a ghost - that is what people said to her.

How dare they??? angry Seriously, how dare people say that about someone who is actually healthy?

And now I will repeat myself and acknowledge I'm repeating it - if a chubby/fat/obese girl posts herself everyone falls all over themselves saying how beautiful and attractive and sexy she is.

Who can answer that for me please? I truly and sincerely am not trying to be rude or critical (you're just going to have to take it as face value and believe it) but "she" doesn't look as great as everyone says - its a bunch of shallow bullshite.

And we as a society that continue to indulge in our glutony (self included) are supposed to come to believe its attractive, acceptable and those that are smart enough to realize this are bullies, mean, and have distorted body images.

If distorted body image is a point (that has actually been alluded to in this thread) just who or how many do have 'distorted body image' issues. Not just the ones who covet a lean body thats for damn certain.
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 14 Apr 2012 6:47 PM
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If you don't believe that someone that isn't fit or sculpted is attractive, then that's your own issue. It's your forcing your opinion that posters are being forced to say "actually, what you hold as an ideal isn't attractive to me".

I can't believe that you think I'm lying when I say that Christina Hendricks is smoking hot. It's so much about shape & not how ripped you are for me!
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