Book p.imps

First off, I can't believe I actually used a period in my subject line...but, whomp there it is. tongueold

So today's "ethics" issue...I found myself a book p.imp...totally freakin' awesome, she rules! But as I'm storing all the books away for a later e read, I started feeling the tarnish build up on my halo. Might be a book dent in it now too...haven't checked too closely for fear of my real thoughts surfacing.

Now...I love books. I buy a ton of books. I could possibly start my own library with all of the books I own. I often lend out my books or borrow books from others...but I'm just trying to figure out why I felt a little skeezy while I'm going through all "my precious" new e reads and picking out others to add to my collection.

Btw...I retract my previous statement where I said I would never e read. I have seen the error in my ways and welcome with open arms...the future of books.

Really, I could just borrow the book from the library, or borrow it from a friend. How is that really any different? I borrow it, give it back. Here I read it...and delete it.

Maybe I'm associating this with music and movies, something I've never copied or distributed. I've got pretty hard and fast rules for those...no going to the darker side of the net in search of them, don't own them, don't want them in my house. But books! If loving you is wrong, I don't wanna be right....

It's rather hypocritcal isn't it?


I feel the need to shower my book p.imp with a gift card for hooking me up. But at the same time, I feel like I should be reading these books under the covers so nobody sees me.

Is there anyway the powers that be can trace these?

Where can I donate 4 boxes of books in Calgary? I feel the need to give back suddenly.
 23 Apr 2012 5:27 PM
 2 Aug 2008
You know what would be great (and I'd be willing to pay more if I could do this) with every book you buy, you could just lend it to someone, and when they get to the last page of the book, it goes back to your ebook. I would share all my books with my MIL if I did that.
 23 Apr 2012 5:30 PM
 30 Dec 2011
Mrs. DLR
What I want to know is how I get hooked up with a book p.imp!
 23 Apr 2012 5:35 PM
 9 Jul 2005
 Around, SK
Duchess of the Forum
Tojules, I can't really answer that. I understand where it comes from, but I can't really answer it.
 23 Apr 2012 5:48 PM
 2 Jan 2010
 Edmonton, AB
Jay Merryfield
The biggest difference in my mind is that, to borrow a physical book, someone somewhere along the way had to actually pay for that stack of paper that you casually flip through: either your friend, or the library paid money to the author so they could profit form their hard work writing that book, and they could, in exchange, enjoy the book and share it with their friends. In your situation, Im going to go out on a limb and say your p.imp probably didnt pay for that ebook she loaned you.

Theres also the volume that an ebook can be loaned out. Lets say you had a close group of reasonably fast reasers. A single paperback could pass through maybe 20-25 hands in a year. That ebook in your inbox probably got sent to 25 people within moments, and who is to say everyone else isnt sharing it around. To get a little economical, once supply is unlimited (and with free ebooks it basically is), demand is crushed and prices plummet because no one wants to pay for something they can get for free.

No one can stop you, but in my books borrowing ebooks doesnt pass the duck test, and the only difference between getting free music online and getting free books is that youll only read a book once, while you might listen to a song dozens of times. While I dont personally have a problem with grabbing an ebook version of something you already own in paperback, paying for $1,000 in books in a year doesnt entitle you to another $1,000 in free ebooks, IMO.

This got covered a bit last week in another ebook thread too, I think.
 23 Apr 2012 6:10 PM
 24 Jan 2005
Raving Lunatic
Not that I'm splitting hairs here...but buying a book and reselling it, that kind of plays in with all of this too doesn't it? I mean they made the profit off a book I bought, then I made a profit off the book I sold...granted not the full price, but in some cases I did pretty well. Then that person resells it to someone else.

I don't believe the library paid more for a better copy of a book to be circulated, they would have picked it up at that discounted rate to loan out for years. I've heard they loan e books too, but have never tried it. One price, tons of readers.

I must have missed the whole conversation in the other thread, I take it that was in the "Grey" thread??

I'm not trying to justify anything, these are just random things bouncing around my head while I try to figure out how I really feel about the whole thing. I'm sure this has probably been discussed to death over the years...but as usual, I'm late to the party.

I'm surprised they haven't come up with a way to build a counter in the e books...good for 10 full reads and then it locks itself or something like that.
 23 Apr 2012 6:34 PM
 2 Jan 2010
 Edmonton, AB
Jay Merryfield
But, you did originally buy the book, therefore author gets money. If your p.imp just DL's a torrent of the book & ships it out to a dozen friends, no money is flowing to the author (thats a big if; I have no idea if he/she actually IS buying legit copies and legitimately loaning it out to you). At least your p.imp isnt getting you to pay for something thye got for free off the internet.

I really have no idea what libraries pay for books, and you can get ebooks from the library too, all you can read, but they pay to be able to distribute those as well (or pay to subscribe to a service anyways). The thing with one book-tons of readers is that there really is a limited number of readers a library book can have, which is why you reserve a book and why the waiting lines for popular books are astronomically long. If I buy a legit copy of some popular book and send it to a dozen friends, who then in turn send it ti a handful of friends, were automatically talking about hundreds of people reading a book for free within days/weeks of it being released, which is when most authors make the bulk of their sales.

Originally Posted By: tojules
 23 Apr 2012 7:16 PM
 21 Mar 2006
It's kind of ironic though that today is World Book and Copyright Day. wink

I work in publishing and see how it isn't the publishers getting the shaft with ebook pirating but the authors. Otherwise, my opinion is quite strong on the subject and pirated movies, music and ebooks all fall into the same category.
 23 Apr 2012 9:29 PM
 3 Jan 2006
Empress of the Forum
Libraries have a limit on the number of times an ebook can be borrowed as well. Like licenses, if you will. Book publishers put this in place so they can't buy one ecopy and lend it out over and over. Apparently they can only be loaned out a certain number of times before said license expires and there can only be one version of each copy loaned out at any given time. So it's possible (likely?) to be on a waiting list for an ebook just as you would be for a hard copy.

Having said all this, I also have a book p.imp and I love her beyond what words can express. I, too, wrestle with my thoughts on the topic and don't claim to have the answers.
 23 Apr 2012 9:43 PM
 18 Jul 2006
I'm a big, big reader but I've never been a big book buyer. As such, I'm glad that libraries have ebooks available. Everything I know about those new e-overlords, however, indicates that it's likely to really harm libraries because of the punitive contracts and the great prices.

Overall, I have complicated feelings on copyright. It's funny because I'm really against home ownership for myself but I'm all about owning all rights to content that I buy, not just renting those. Of course, if I rent or borrow the content itself (like from a library or whatever) I'm OK with that but if I buy a book, I want to be able to copy it, save it, print it, back it up, remove preservation-restricting DRM, etc., etc.

I think the way that ebooks are set up right now is like buying houses in those new neighbourhoods. Sure, it's your house, but you can't have yellow floors, or purple curtains, or an outdoor clothing line, or a blue door, so is it really your house? In my opinion, this is not something to be emulated.
 23 Apr 2012 10:23 PM
 17 Apr 2012
New Member
I have a Nook which I don't think is available in Canada, but I can lend books just like a paperback. I "email" it to a friend. When s/he has it, I can't open the file. When she returns it, I can open it again. As far as I know, there is no limit on shares just like I could lend a paperback out a bunch of times.

With the library, there is a crazy long wait list. I've been waiting for Maze Runner for over a month. As a heads up, if you finish a library read, you can "return" it early rather than waiting for your two weeks to be up. laugh just right click on the book in your library (depending on the program, I have adobe) and it will return it.

I personally don't torrent books. There are a bunch of great free books available through Barnes and Noble website and smash books. They actually feature Canadian authors a lot so I always go for those first if I'm open to suggestions.

ETA on my phone please excuse nonsense sentences. I can't scroll up to fix
 23 Apr 2012 11:42 PM
 22 Apr 2008
 Edmonton, AB
What the hell is a book pimp?
 23 Apr 2012 11:51 PM
 2 Dec 2007
 Mississauga, On
Someone that has tons of ebooks and sends the, to you for free.
 24 Apr 2012 1:14 AM
 24 Jul 2008
 Vancouver Island
Having used library ebooks, if they have 3 copies, only 3 copies are loaned at any time. In 3 weeks time, the file is no longer available on your device and is considered "returned". If I borrow a paperback from the library, only that copy can go out and only when it is returned can it go out again.

I purchase ebooks and lend them as my family and friends lend theirs to me. Some books I have no interest in, I pass on to others. I did the same with paperbacks, the same with thing happens with music. I lent records, tapes, 8 tracks, cds.... Gasp, I even made copies of songs from the radio or my albums to tape or cd for my car. I even have recorded tv shows and movies and shared them....
 24 Apr 2012 8:17 AM
 10 Feb 2004
 Russell (Ottawa area)
The title of this thread just made me think of Jay-Z's "Big P.impin'..."

(FTR, I love Book P.imps)!
 31 Oct 2012 11:59 PM
 30 Apr 2012
New Member

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