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UPDATE

My dog just had two grand mal seizures, 15 minutes apart. I hope that that's it for today. I am definitely going to try to get in with my vet tomorrow and talk to her about medication. I can't take the stress of all this and I would hate for my dog to get hurt. She had the second seizure while awake and that scares me even more. It started as she was walking down the stairs and fell down the rest of them. Luckily it wasn't far and the stairs were carpeted but I feel like this is becoming more than I can handle.



My 4 year old dog had her first grand mal seizure over the summer and then had one every month or so. I started tracking them in November and since then, she's been having them every 2 weeks.

After her first seizure, we rushed her to the vet and were told it could either be a one-time occurrence or that she could start having them regularly. The second seizure she had, we rushed her to the vet again and got blood tests done, all came back normal. We discussed medication with the vet and were told that since her seizures didn't last long enough to cause damage and since the medication had serious side effect, that we should only consider medication if the seizures seriously impacted our lives and we felt like they were more than we could handle.

Without medication, the episodes are fully over in 5 minutes and any risks are from her injuring herself during the episodes. Meaning we have to make sure she doesn't bang against furniture or fall down stairs.

With medication, she would have the side effects from the medication and would also have to have blood tests every 6 months to make sure the medication isn't compromising her organs.

So here's my dilemma: Apart from those 5 minutes every 2 weeks, my dog is as great as ever and I would prefer not to put her on medication for all the reasons listed above. The problem I'm having is that she always has the seizures when she's sleeping and now I'm insanely anxious whenever it gets to that 2 week mark and every single noise wakes me up at night because I think she's having a seizure; seeing her sleep makes me anxious because I think she could have a seizure any minute.

I don't know if anyone has been through something like this before, but I really need some advice as to how to get over my anxiety or what I can do to make these seizures more manageable, hopefully without medicating my dog.

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 7 Jan 2012 1:13 AM
 8 Feb 2008
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We recently found out our 2 year old lab is epileptic. She had her first grand mal seizure about 2 months ago and they happened every 2 weeks. After the third seizure we put her on the meds, that was 3 weeks ago. She still gets the petit mal seizures (had one today) but since being on the medication hasn't had a grand mal.

I know exactly what you mean about the anxiety. Our dog has grand mals at night too and it's horrible to see the seizure happen or to wake up to the banging and go running to help her.

We made the decision to put her on the meds for a couple reasons:
1. My anxiety. Every night I was afraid of her having a seizure and I didn't want that fear anymore.
2. With DS and another one on the way I didn't want to worry about the possibility of her having a grand mal seizure in front of the kids. After the seizure while she's still coming to, she is aggressive and as such is a danger to the kids.
3. The side effects and twice yearly bloodtests are a risk we're willing to take to ensure she doesn't have another grand mal.

What kind of dog do you have? Has the vet given you valium to give to your dog after a seizure to ward off another one?

I don't have any advice on what to do without medicating since we have taken that route. If you have any questions about the medication or changes we've seen in our dog since starting feel free to ask. It's a terrifying thing to see your dog so helpless, especially when they aren't able to understand.

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 7 Jan 2012 9:39 AM
 22 Jan 2008
 Ottawa, ON
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We're not quite sure what my dog is, we got her at a local shelter and she doesn't quite look like anything in particular but we were told the mother was a boston terrier x border collie. The vet didn't give us anything for the seizures, she just said to make sure she didn't hurt herself and that if the seizures were only once a month (which they were at the time), that we should hold back from medicating. Now that they are more often, I think we will have to revisit the option of medicating.

I feel really awful to treat her the way I do... if we're home alone, I try to keep her awake and at night, every little noise wakes me up and my mind starts running.

How has the medication affected your dog?? I'm worried that figuring out the dosage is going to be trial and error and we're going to turn my dog into a zombie frown

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 7 Jan 2012 11:04 AM
 30 Nov 2007
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We had a large Golden Retriever who developed epilipsy around the age of six. In the beginning all we noticed was a severe change in behavior as he was seizing at night when everyone was sleeping. Higgin's seizures were very serious - often lasting 15 minutes and there was an episode where he seized for 24 hours straight, there is a special name for it - what happens is they seize have a very short breather and go right back into seizing. We chose medication because of his behavior change and his size (Higgins weighed 120 pounds) made him very difficult to deal with. The medications up until the 24 hour period were great at controlling the seizures, and returned his behavior back to normal. At the time of the 24 hour seizing, we were making the decision to euthanize as he wasn't responding to medication at the vets, and suddenedly he was fine. But you should note, seizures that last a long time can cause permanent brain damage so that is why we chose medication!

Higgins lived until 13 when he had a massive stroke. So I would continue to record the number of seizures, and duration and if you see a dramatic increase or change in behavior I would suggest medication - you can start out with a very small dose which has little impact on the organs.

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 7 Jan 2012 1:22 PM
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We were given valium to rectally give our dog if she has a grand mal seizure to prevent the threat of cluster seizures, which is what Leofric's dog did. It's more common in large breed dogs.

The medication hasn't really affected her at all. She gets 3 pills of phenobarbital every 12 hours. At first she was slightly lethargic but that went away after the first week. The only long term side effect we've seen is an increased appetite. She's become a huge scavenger but with a toddler our floor can sometimes resemble a buffet so I don't blame her. After 2 weeks of starting treatment we took her in to get her blood tested and will do so every 6 months to ensure proper liver function.

From what I've read online, most dogs are started on the meds based on their weight so it's not tons of trial and error. The most important thing to remember is that the medication should be administered every 12 hours. The more time between dosages the more likely your dog is to have another seizure.

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 7 Jan 2012 11:12 PM
 30 Nov 2007
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Cluster seizures that is what they are called - the nurse in the family always called them by their Latin name. We also had Valium on hand for emergencies after the cluster seizure incident but never had to use it.

As for scrounging - Higgins was a Golden, with thryoid issues so we don't know if that caused it or the medication for the seizures, but he was a dog who could eat anything organic, inorganic if thought it was food it went into his mouth, a truly thrilling memory was when he ate a five pound bag of carrots with the bag!!! You learn to food proof everything, although I kinda miss a non-fussy dog, the Poodles are the complete opposite.

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 8 Jan 2012 9:06 AM
 22 Jan 2008
 Ottawa, ON
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My dog hasn't had any cluster seizures, just the one every 2 weeks... should I expect her condition to progress to cluster seizures or are they two separate things?

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 8 Jan 2012 12:26 PM
 30 Nov 2007
Leofric
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Hi Buttercup,

Your dog will not necessarily develop cluster seizures - Higgins was a pure bred Golden which made him more prone, and there is also a potential link to his hypothyroidism and treatment. His cluster episode which led to status epilepticus (this is where they don't stop seizing) happened several years after his first episode so most likely it was a combination of factors, age, size, breed,and the drugs he was on. I would only become more concerned with your dog, if the seizures are happening much more frequently and lasting longer - Higgins seizures were always 10-15 minutes in length and altered his behavior.

Don't fret - Higgins lived a long time for his size and breed and had a very happy life!

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 9 Jan 2012 2:42 PM
 10 Oct 2008
 Ottawa, Ontario
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Our Schipperkeye growing up had seizures after he was a puppy & decided to chew the refrigerator cord.

He would have them (that we know of) once every 3 or 4 months. We would hold him as he seized until they were over - he never was put on medication, and he lived until the ripe age of 14 (he had something that resembled Dementia, glaucoma, and his joints were pretty bad.

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 9 Jan 2012 2:57 PM
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I'm so sorry about the update, Buttercup. I hope the vet can give you some answers and help your dog. The anxiety doesn't ever fully go away but since our dog as been on meds it has helped calm me down a little since she so far is grand mal free.

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